It’s very funny how different groups of people see two opposite things in this video. The other forum I was on were all calling for Max to get a penalty, and when the video came out, they retracted it and said he clearly didn’t open the wheel into Hamilton.
But other places are now all in a furor because they say Max clearly turned out into Hamilton.
I don’t see Max open the wheel until 0:09 in this video. At that point he’s already off the road basically. His hands are increasing steering all the way until that point.
Here’s an amazing example of, what a surprise, both parties are guilty. Bias? Probably. But Mercedes still comes of as classier to me, and many others. Doesn’t mean they’re perfect
He is not the first one did this, and surely not the last one. No need to be toxic as the Instagram comments. Based on his F2 stats so far, he should be much better than Mazepin and Latifi which are “paid driver”. To develop a decent a car need money. When you have a top tier driver already, you would want to give him a decent car to fight.
They won the race and beat Verstappen. Now they are trying to get Verstappen retrospectively punished for a potential sporting code infringement of which in the end gained nothing.
I think the days talking about paid drivers and what drivers deserve to be in F1 are done. Most of the grid wouldn’t top 10 in a decent KZ race (I mean that absolutely literally). The entire sport is an illusion, a fugazi. Just enjoy it for what it is - entertainment.
Class to me is what Michael Andretti and little Al had when racing in Indycar. When either of their cars just wasn’t working, they’d let the other by knowing in a future race that the tables would turn and help them. Some of the last gentlemen racers IMHO. Jacques Villeneuve was the exact opposite, a complete jerk, which probably explains why he did better in F1 which is more cut-throat.
Drivers are always claiming they can’t tell a car was there (most likely true due to the tiny mirrors), and yet there is a simple and cheap solution. Seems obvious to me…
There’s some interesting discourse here between what can essentially be seen as “Old F1” (TJ, Alan, Tanguy) and “New F1” (Primarily Elias in this discussion). Elias, I’m not trying to call you out. You’re not doing anything wrong, you have your opinions and that’s entirely fair. It’s just the difference in your perception of F1 from what you’ve experienced versus what the guys that have been in it for a while have seen.
I’m at somewhat of a middle point. I was born in 1999, and really remember seeing F1 in the middle of Schumacher’s dominance immediately followed by Alonso going back to back with Renault.
Elias, I do think the others have a valid point that Hamilton is not nearly as clean as he has looked in the past 5 years. He has had the ability to essentially walk away with every championship without much of a worry due to being the #1 driver on the overwhelmingly #1 team. My observation all year has been that Lewis hasn’t had to fight for a championship like this since he joined Mercedes except for 2016 where everyone still knew it was going to be either Rosberg or Hamilton. It is showing the flaws that Hamilton has in his racecraft, something I don’t think he’s ever really excelled at. I can’t say anything in terms of outright pace, the cars are too unequal to compare that.
I don’t think Verstappen did anything wrong in turn 4 at Brazil. He kept turn in, even turning the wheel further left to not get contact with Hamilton, and the understeer from charging the corner that hard. Hamilton established earlier in the year that type of racing was okay when he charged into Verstappen at Silverstone, and last year when he ran Albon off the track twice from podium position. When he does that he is inviting other drivers to race him the same way.
He brought this on himself if I’m honest, and now we have two stubbornly aggressive drivers fighting tooth and nail for a championship and neither is going to back down, which I love to see. The teams are trying to drag the other down as well, and it’s going a bit far in my opinion. There’s a difference between ensuring something is within the legal requirements and dragging things on to gain an advantage well after things have been settled.
There’s a bit of Senna in both Verstappen and Hamilton, an “I’m going to take this corner and you’re either going to back out or crash.” It’s making for the best racing we’ve seen since probably 2012.
Alan you were right that seeing the additional footage didn’t create a consensus and just led to more opinions.
In my view I thought Max had understeer on entry which pushed him wide, but I don’t know enough to be able to tell if he could have done more to keep the line tighter to give Hamilton more room.
