Appreciate the enthusiasm, but why are you yelling 
Generally people are fine with trying them.
Buying them is another thing.
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Nope didn’t want it to come out that way. Not yelling just would like people to try things before they form a opinion about the subject they are being subjective about . Hard to form a opinion if you only see stuff on paper or forum. That’s all I was trying to convey.
I will consider electric karts as ‘having arrived’ when they’re willing to compete on an “open” basis, without shielding of franchise, on 3rd party owned tracks.
Until then, I think they’ll remain a niche, perfect for some people, enjoyable by many.
To be clear, I’m pro-electric. But I’m also pro-competition.
I personally saw an electric kart on a proper racing chassis this weekend. Straight line speed was insane. Cornering was limited as the kart sat very flat in the corners The weight of the packs on the left and motor/esc on the right just made it really “slidy” instead of carving corners like the other race karts. Kart was running on Evinco Blues just like the X30, Rotax, Ka100, and 206 karts were. The electric struggled to keep pace over full race distance because this track has 2 long straights where the electric was pulling speeds of 90mph+. As others have pointed out, this smoked the battery and led to conservation needed to make a full session. Below are the qualy times for the SR classes. The electric had punch out of the corner and better top speed than the KA100 by 20-25mph, BUT it was dead slow in the corners.
Elec Qualy: 51.46
206 Sr Qualy: 56.39
KA100 Sr Qualy: 50.75
Rotax ClubMax Qualy: 50.65
Not saying electric is bad. Just saying they are a bit off on performance yet for me to want to throw $$ on a conversion kit. The gap will close, how much and how fast remains to be seen.
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What do you mean when you say compete?
I mean on a privately-owned chassis with privately-owned and controlled hardware / electronics. What we’re seeing now is a quasi-IROC series where BSR or K1 own EVERYTHING and you simply show up and drive.
Ownership = control. I want control in the hands of the racer.
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Fair, but I don’t see anything on the vendor side that’s preventing that from happening? It’s either down to the track or driver. K1 will sell you an OTL (To be fair I don’t think you can buy the power unit by itself) and BSR will sell you their power unit. All you need is $ and a track that will permit it to run.
(I’m curious what other electric powertrain options are out there too.)
The problem is on the org side – WKA is using BSR as their de fact eKart series. It’s not “open” like their other race programs. Another unholy alliance, like the tire deals.
It cannot be said enough – orgs should exist and run themselves in such a way for the BENEFIT OF THE RACER FIRST.
Yes, a track could independantly offer an eKart series, but what motive do they have now? Traditionally, they follow the org rules for classes and WKA hasn’t spec’d an open eKart class… But the time to write rules is before they’re needed, so…
10kW motor, 48V battery pack, spec ESC by single manufacturer (grid swappable.)
This looks interesting?
https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/honda-egx-electric-racing-go-kart-concept-first-drive-review/
ADDENDUM:
Wording aside, I’m not “anti-BSR.” They’re just trying to get market share and make a good return on their investment. I have no idea if they paid WKA or not (though I hope not, for the sports’ sake.) But my greater point is the WKA / SKUSA / USPKS / STARS / FWT et al. should all be higher in the org chart than the Mfr.s, and the orgs should act like the racers are at the top, even though the transient nature of participants means that the orgs provide the stability. When they’re weak or mismangaged, the whole sport suffers.
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It’s understandable to have concerns, but resorting to ad hominem accusations doesn’t contribute to a productive discussion. If you truly enjoy electric karts and are genuinely interested in testing the BSR kart, then why not approach the conversation with curiosity instead of hostility?
You claim to have asked multiple times for a test, yet none of BSR’s partners in this region have recognized you as a serious party or received any response from you. That might explain why no one has provided you with an experience.
When you can afford a BSR, then you’ll gain the experience—until then, it’s just an opinion without proof. BSR has nothing to prove; it has already established itself, which is more than can be said for you.
Dismissing innovation based solely on race duration oversimplifies the broader potential of the technology. If you’re open to a real discussion, let’s focus on facts rather than assumptions.
This sounds really cool actually. I like how you get telemetry and comms and have to decide yourselves rather than some arbitrary number of stops that prevents folks from going too low on battery.
Can someone tell us how much you spend on maintenance and repairs of your karts each year?
Seems odd to do market research after you have a product?
In any case, the information in this topic is still pretty valid:
Don’t you try to pull the Uno Reverse card on me, you are the one who resorted to sarcasm to attack my character
Stop playing dumb, I asked YOU to plug me with your partners. I am independant, I don’t represent anybody, that is why I was asking you to introduce me.
- Only releasing highly curated testimony videos and over edited hype videos
- Wont provide any real world data in any shape or form
- Tell potential users to go try it by themselves if they want more info
- But stonewall non-affiliated people when they ask to try it
- “Cough up 12-15K euros and you will be able to make up your mind”
So what is it @Artis_Daugins ? Are you not confident enough in your product to convince doubters ? In what world do you tell potential customer to buy a product so they can test it ? Is it how you do business ?
Facts are :
- BSR is nowhere to be found in Europe, rental wise or competition wise
- BSR does not promote any ground breaking tech in motor nor battery
- BSR races have been only 10 minutes long for now
You want to change that ? Stop talking hype and start publishing some real data.
EDIT : Taking this publicly @Ruppdartkart, but stop sending me PM. I asked you numerous time to stop sending me PMs. I don’t know if you are obsessed or in love with me, but it has to stop.
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The way I look at this electric post . Its a small section of people that dont understand or have never tried the product and that’s OK. But why make a opinion on something you have never tried or don’t understand . And if you have tried the product then Its fair to give a honest opinion. Its OK electric is growing no matter what people say… K1 / BSR / F.A.T. league etc… I think . Im going to jump off this post I think I have said all that I can to support all the electric companies.. And wish them alot of luck.. Thanks to BSR / K1 / F.A.T. league and to all who have defended electric… And hope it keeps growing… And thanks Tanguy for the offers but I’m married to a beautiful Romanian Wife..
@KartingIsLife your call
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Yeah I think this topic has run its course. Between the lack of value from the original poster and some of the hostility that unfolded after I think it’s time to put this one to rest.
Debate is great, we just have to keep it respectful, even if we’re frustrated or feel others are being disingenuous.. I find myself having to walk away from the keyboard once in a while when things get a little overly hyped up too.
In closing I just want to say that It’s a credit to the community how rarely a topic gets closed. I can count on one hand the number of topics frozen in the nine or so years since the forums started.
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