Thanks for the advice Alvin! Reading through your response I believe you are looking at the sweeper form an anti clockwise direction. We generally run the track clockwise (not always, so I will still take the advise on board).
It’s tricky to give advice with only a birdview of a track, but I’ll give it a go.
The second corner of the track (which is the first corner you highlighted) is a tricky one. There are two things that need to be adressed. First, notice the tight lefthander following. Second, the righthander seems to tighten at the end. Because of this I think you need to drive a ‘ridiculous’ late apex, almost at the end of the corner. I bet many inexperienced drivers end up at the left side of the exit or even in the tyre barrier, but I think you need to stay at the right side at the exit, hence the extreme late apex. In fact, I think this is a double apex corner.
Going a few yards back: notice that the corner seems to open up in the middle. I would start to drive the corner like this: drive the short staight leading to the corner at the left side of the track. Take a very early apex, before the lightpole. After the apex, let the kart run wide a bit towards the middle of the track and then take the very late apex. In essence, the corner opens up and tightens again but you drive a very round line.
Either that or you keep the kart at the inside (right) at all times. Depends a bit about the scale, I cannot see how wide it is.
Again, I’m not sure this is the way to go with so little information but I think it’s worth a shot.
Good luck!
Interestingly, I have been late apexing that corner. But, maybe not late enough and definitely not as a double apex. Thanks for the suggestion. I’ll trial it next time I’m on track.
Again, I’m not sure. It’s either that or staying glued to the inside tyre barrier and scrubbing off speed by applying more steering input I guess.
I was drawing the line last night and was like “hmm”. This one is indeed tricky and appears to be super important for your overall lap time.
It does appear that you will have to very late apex the 2nd twist. I’ll throw a line in below.
The biggest thing here is gonna be getting as much out of this as you can. The first corner is a “sacrifice” in that you HAVE to set up for the 2nd to have a great run onto straight.
The approach is going to be WOT from start finish. It’s obviously left edge. But here’s the thing. That turn looks huge. It looks like there is massive space there to go in fast and early, but instead of a really hard brake, figure out what level of softish braking just before turn in gets you to middle of turn (apex) stable.
You need to be stable because you then have to between the big turn and the little one, change direction and attack the important part.
I suspect most carry too much speed into the big turn, get all wide, are then stuck on the outside of the turn when the really need to be getting to the right so that they can roll the kart over to the left and up and out.
Anyways the line I drew was a little nuts. I’ll try to get something useable.
This is super rough. The lines aren’t clipping where I want exactly and I think the transition between the two turns is going to be rounder. I can’t draw lines well but here’s the spirit of the idea.
The white parts look like rubber bits. The point is the exit of the 2nd is into a big straight. So, you’ll have to late apex that second bit to have a good run.
The 2nd half is where you want to be accelerating all the way out. I am guessing that after turn of 1 and you have found a speed that gets you through the first half, you probably will have to brush brakes (just to get nose planted) and transition to the turn up into the 2nd bit. The braking brush probably occurs right in that space between where first line ends and second begins. After brush and turn in, it looks like you can whip it around all the way over top and onto straight in one smooth early move.
Run down left. Straight line brake/brush. Long slow turn in. Don’t worry too much about getting to inside candystripe of big turn. It’ll pull you wide of it.
You’ll need to prevent the kart from continuing to feed left as you come out of the big turn. You have to transition back to right and then turn it left. This transition is gonna be big in terms of getting this right. You are gonna want to find a smooth way to get that weight changing direction for the run up and out.
You guys are awesome. I’ll try a few different approaches next time I’m there, film it and report back.
If you carry too much speed into the big turn, tires will make noises as you are slipping to the outside of the turn.
Don’t try to adjust speed mid turn. Slow down enough initially that you don’t have to. You need to be stable for the transition.
The run from start finish gives you lots of speed. The big first part of the turn is where you find out how much of that start/finish speed you can keep into the complex. You will have to progressively shave off speed at entry until you find something that allows you to get the kart rotated and back in throttle before you complete 2nd turn in. Since the 2nd bit is key, I’d err on the side of over-slowing for the first bit as you figure out how to place yourself for 2nd.
In that case; stay tight on the sweeper, do not drift to the outside on that short shoot. Make it a straight line from the sweeper to the tight left.
As others have said, it’s almost impossible to say where the line should be just by looking at an overhead, and without any driver feedback regarding what the kart is doing in those sections. If you can tell us what’s happening in the kart through those corners, it would maybe give a better idea of what is going wrong.
Here’s where I would go with it though:
The first right-hander should probably be a double-apex, with an emphasis on a later, tighter apex for the second part of the corner, so that you can set up properly for the long multi-apex left-hander.
The left-hander is going to be a 3-apex corner, so there’s no real way to set up for the corner entry. Instead, you can probably immediately go for that first apex, swing wide and then make the whole section one big arc. There’s no way you’re going to have time to swing wide on entry to set up for the first apex, so my first thought would be to just straight-line that first apex to shorten the track up.
The next right-hander is a bit of a tough one, hard to say, but I would do whatever you need to do to make that exit as straight as possible to carry more speed. Not sure how wide you need to enter to do so.
The next right is similar to the first; double-apex with a little tighter and later apex on the second half, swinging out just enough to set up for the next left.
Well described by TJ. It’s difficult to find footage from the new layout but I noticed that the old layout had a banking. If so, Im afraid that some or even many of our tips go out the window. In a banked corner you stay low, but I guess the Yankees on this forum are more equipped to tell you more you about banked corners!
TJ how do you draw one continuous line like that?
Ah, yeah if it’s banked it requires a totally different approach!
Adobe Illustrator. A side benefit of going to graphic design school!
Ah. You have access to bezier tools.
Like this?
Ignore what I said. TJ’s and Al’s simpler version of straightening it makes sense.
Thanks everyone! The banked corner is the final sweeper before the straight, which I think I have a handle on for now.
@tjkoyen I’ll try implement those lines next time I’m on track.
Thanks again everyone!
Im really surprised no one brought up this product. Used it as a kid years ago with no flaws then later in my ratchet sports car years used it when i had no wipers or defrosters.
Thanks mate! I’ll check it out.
I have one thing to add. I see how narrow the track is. Maybe you are doing it much better than you think, but you make mistakes that cost you time and you can not connect a clear lap. I suggest you to concentrate on being as constant as possible and try out the lines TJ, Dom, Al and Matt suggested, I have nothing to add about the line really. Trying these lines out and possibly filming your driving will really help you understand what you are doing, trust me, I did the same and it really helped me after watching my driving over and over. At the end, you can even measure time for some corners so you can see is that line beneficial or not. So yeah, try different things, see if it feels better. Have one session where you just test the things you never did or never wanted to. There are a lot of corners that can be taken on many different ways and even curbs to use if you learn how to. Yes, and make sure to be on throttle as early as possible, it makes huge difference with these type of engines, especially at the T2-3-4
Sorry if I mentioned something that has already been said, couldn´t read from the top
@Bobby
What is all the white stuff in the racing line?
Every snow skiing sales outlet in the country has been selling an anti-fog product for many many years. I became aware of it in 1980. My 1st ski trip. I don’t remember exactly, but I think it was about a dollar for a small cloth in a zip type bag.