Hey everyone… whats your take on posting DSQ results regarding what tech officials find? Should there be more consequences such as team penalties assessed against blatant infractions?
While i agree taking rules to limits is accetable (squish , timing, slide heights) and sometimes costly, wouldnt obvious things such as expansion pipe manipulation or carb material removal, etc be grounds for mkre serious penalties like suspension?
Sometimes it lends doubt with regards to previous wins and awards???
Do we apply asterisks to previous wins ???
For me, i say you post tech rule broken or illegal parts, along with driver/team penalty points that can add up to suspension or removal from series. Teams are trying hard to compete and i see this no different than stealing.
For our club, we race 14 times with 2 drops. If you are DQ’d in tech, you get a zero for the day, and you are not allowed to drop that zero.
Even if the specific reason for the DQ isn’t listed somewhere, people talk. I believe larger organizations will suspend of even ban teams/builders with repeated blatant cheating violations.
Additionally, if you’re a known cheater, tech officials are going to tear you down as far as they can trying to find something illegal, so you’re putting a target on your back.
I mean in theory, if the tech process is the same wouldn’t they have found the point of interest the first time you were teched?? I wouldn’t put asterisks on previous wins, and just having squish or something small shouldn’t ban you from the series. People make genuine mistakes alongside malicious intent.
I dont think banning for say a illegal squish is right… but how far are we talking … .01mm, .03mm , +.07mm… accidents and intent are pretty easily discernable.
And i will say, most reputable engine builders are not the culprit. Once it leaves a shop, no telling what people do and i often feel bad for engine builders because its their name on side of motor.
As far as asterisks go, i was being a bit sarcastic but I will say, a couple large teams drivers have been DQd for engine parts that were altered when NO touching was allowed. In my book, how often did they get away with it. Our integrity in racing is more important than our record.
No, no they are not at all. That’s why it’s hard.
I think you have Norberg’s incident in mind from the exhaust. Since then, barely anyone has been DQ’d for anything tech-related, and Norberg certainly hasn’t been DQ’d as of recent or even before that incident for anything.
Losers always want to point to something that is making them lose. That is harsh, but true. Speaking from plenty of first hand experience with my son here. 
So no matter what the sanctioning organization does, the winner is always “cheating”. 
Even happens at the pro level, just watch some things that get said in interviews sometimes. 
If someone is DQ’d post the rule that was broken. If it was a driving incident, cite the corner and the infraction. If it was tech, cite the infraction. Keep it consistent. Someone that repeatedly makes dangerours on track moves may find themselves parked for a race or two, same should apply for repeated tech violations. Again, just keep it consistent.
As far as what gets teched and how, every sanctioning organization does it different and it isn’t easy. Don’t want that job!!!
I don’t know if the OP brought up this subject in reference to this, but there was a Post-Qualifying Technical DQ levied on a high-profile team and shifter driver at the STARS event this past weekend.
The results sheet does not specify what exactly the tech disqualification was for however. It might be something relatively minor for all I know.
This is interesting, being KZ it’s hard to imagine an engine related DQ as you can do a lot to them within the rules. I could however see something simple like a rear width violation as that happens all the time for various reasons, most commonly I see it when someone changes wheels but forgets to check width and the new wheels have more offset.
Did it this year. Dry to wet. Rims going from 7.1 to 6" and different off-set. We went from 55" rear width to 52-3/4" rear width and didn’t check it. Makes sense…lost over 2" on rim width alone.
It was a CC test after qualifying. Typically they don’t test CC’s until after the final, so this apparently caught them by surprise, and (so I was told) were caught trying to loosen the head prior to the test.
Sooo what was the plan then if those engines had made it to tech for the final? Or is the head not sealed in KZ?
The engine isn’t sealed on a KZ, you can rebuild it anytime you want generally. Depending on the rules that is.
You can declare and use two engines in the FIA classes (KZ and OK-N in the case of Stars). If you are willing to roll the dice on when they CC, you could presumably have a qualy engine and a finals engine. And yes, the engines are stickered, but not sealed, so they can be rebuilt any time during the weekend.
Yes, these are just a few of the high profile incidents i was referring to. I was once told at an old 2 cycle grandnational… wanna know whos cheating, look at front 5 rows!
Im sure he was being a bit comical, but then again he’s probably not far off.
And i must add, most tech personnel are awesome! STARS, ROK, IKF, dan pellizari… to stay 2 steps ahead of these teams is super tough.
@fatboy1dh whats your thought then about CC dq and possibility of loosening head? One is a ’ i rolled the dice and lost’ the other is downright unacceptable and has no place in our sport.