Tillotson T4 Kart/Series

The starting issues are often related to either a bad spark plug or an intake leak. Doing a leak check and swapping your plug before every race day improves the starting immensely.

I mean it was every single kart on the grid. They started, just alot of sawing to make it happen almost like there isnt a choke.

I don’t even have to use a choke on my 206 when it sits for a month. :joy:

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Kinda defeats the purpose of running a low output four stoke IMO. Plugs every race day is something that was arguably excessive for even some of the two strokes turning 21,000 RPM back in the day.

Hopefully they will get figured it out either through technical update or owner education on starting procedure.

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Tillotson has a new carburetor. Starting is much easier now. The Tillotson engine is awesome almost 17 hp and a blast to race. I love my 206 but in love my Tillotoson.

Are you running both classes?

Yes. I run Tillotoson masters at T4 in Palmetto Florida, and my MGM / 206 at all the other Florida tracks along with CKNA.

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17 HP? It must be growing. Their website states 15

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With the new upgrades; 7500 rev limiter, new head and euro pipe that has a larger diameter header pipe increases the hp

Two HP is a big jump.

The only difference in the new head is that it’s been decked for more compression, which has helped low-end torque. However, the camshaft and cylinder head only allow peak power of around 6500 rpms. The engine is faster because you have more rpm, but it doesn’t increase the engine’s power output. It’s still only “15hp,” but that number isn’t certified either. That original power figure came from Go Power Sports(the number Tillotson advertises), but compared to other dynos, their dyno is inflated by about 40%, which is how Hewitt calibrates them for engine builders. They had claimed their 212E made 10hp, but it only made 7hp(7 x 40% = 9.8). There are videos of this online.

You must also remember these are corrected numbers, and small engine manufacturers use different correction factors, so you can’t really compare them unless you have them on the same dyno. What you should be comparing is the difference in area(under the curve)more than what the peak numbers say.

That said, we don’t race dynos; the only thing that matters is lap times.

You’re correct the only thing that matters are lap times. However, this engine is so fun to drive. It has the power without bogging in the corners and a good top and speed. In my opinion, it’s a better package than the Briggs & Stratton 206. However the Briggs & Stratton will not be replaced by this engine, just another option. If you’ve never driven one, I highly suggest it

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I agree with your experience; my shop designed most of that engine, so I know it better than anyone. Frequent problems are caused by the spread of misinformation, which started with GPS. They lack the karting background and experience to support these engines but have a large marketing platform they use to sell them, leading other distributors and dealers to perpetuate misinformation to help them sell the engine.

As in your situation, it leads to other assumptions that also spread and, over time, become false facts, which raises expectations. For example, if the engine is 17hp out of the box, what happens when it’s “blueprinted”? There becomes a domino effect where engine builders who are not seeing 17hp on their dynos are recalibrating them so they can tell their customers what their gains are(it’s the reason Hewitt already sets up dynos with around 40% inflation); otherwise, they will have to explain the engine doesn’t make 17hp out of the box, and you assume you have a dud(a partiality issue) or you’ve been lied to about its performance. That’s just one example.

You also have a dilemma in karting, as in most businesses, where you will not support a product you didn’t sell. So, if you bought your 225RS from Kart Rising and have a problem they can’t help you with, another Tillotson importer doesn’t want to waste their time helping you. Since Tillotson is in Ireland, you likely are not getting them on the phone. Since we’ve been the main Tillotson Importer for 40 years, many assume we were Tillotson, and we get the calls.

I address the misinformation in public forums to reach more people. I want the class to be successful, and I believe I could very easily grow to be bigger than Briggs, but the dealers and distributors need to step up to be better educated and more informed.

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Sounds like the clone situation, some people were not interested and then everyone started to sell them, without knowing much about them. I would like to see less marketing and more support by them especially since it targets new racers. Glad to read some actual experience. I would like to try one but hard investment at this point in time.