Would like some thoughts on the Tillotson T4 Class and is there any race tracks that have races for them in Ohio ???
No. Non-existent in the Midwest
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I believe there was a class or series in Florida at some point. But in general it’s not widely adopted. It seems to be a good product mechanically, but some reports of carb issues.
For me, the most confusing part has been the different engine models. It might be more of a reflection of my own comprehension limits, but it was confusing for a while.
The topic hasn’t been updated in a while, but might be a good starting point for those looking for more info about Tillotson’s engines.
There is a big group in florida, we race them at orlando and they are popular in the Tampa area from what I hear. In the orlando cup, it is the biggest class with 20+ entries.
They are fun to drive, and the latest spec is easy to start and runs well. They are around 2 seconds a lap faster than 206’s, and maybe 3-4 seconds off a x30.
In my opinion it is the best “budget racer” option from a performance and fun factor perspective.
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I completely agree with what Rob said. I have the Tillotson 225 engine on a OTK Kart. I race it at T4 complex in Palmetto Florida. It is a great facility and Jake has done a fantastic job in growing the number of karters. In the masters class on a monthly club race there is probably between 12 and 17 karts. It is a much better platform than the 206. There is no bogging in the corners, the performance is awesome. I also have a MGM chassis with a 206 engine. On long flowing tracks and such as Daytona sprint track the 206 is fine however, on slower tracks the 206 performance is not to impressive. I enjoy the Tillotson platform more than the 206.
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Great to hear other people love the Tillys and the T4 Series. I think L206 has got way out of hand. Too many people fooling with the motors. And hard for people to compete who have small budgets. With people having unlimited budgets. T4 Series make it a more level playing field. Plus the power of the Tilly 225RS is a far better power level than the Putt ! Putt ! L206 motor. That’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it !!
How many 206 races have you attended to be able to make that statement? That’s simply untrue. 206 is the most cost-effective package in karting, period. And the rules are tight with sealed engines.
Please explain how the Tilly is more cost-effective and how no one is cheating in that class.
It’s okay to have opinions but making false statements without any evidence is not.
Nope not a false statement have seen it on local levels a lot… Have talked about this subject a lot on this subject . Just check past posts I have made on this subject.. And maybe at your tracks things are good that’s great.. Wish all tracks would be that good..
Sounds like you have a tech problem or you’re falling for barstool talk at the track.
You keep saying this but never give examples. Are people being bounced from tech? The tech process and tools are published and well known for 206. It’s evolved over probably 15+ years now.
If what you say is true and it’s as common as you claim, but engines are not failing tech… you have a tech problem and a different engine won’t fix that.
I’m not a drinker never have been .. Yep a tech problem I guess.. Still 15 hp to 9 hp big power difference been hashed over on my posts before.. Thanks for the concern thou… And not throwing people or engine builders under the bus either by giving examples.. Just know its happening been a diesel and gas engine builder for years. And a metal fab guy. Use to build high horsepower snowmobile engines and Harley Davidson Engines. And use to be a test engineer and mechanic for Cub Cadet Corporation and did a lot of testing on Briggs motors.. I think I’m qualified to know engines. If that’s what you were wondering. And I like what Tillotson is doing to try and make it a level playing field. I’m in my early 60s been turning wrench’s for years..
Please explain what is being done to make the 206 so expensive and what is being illegally modified in Briggs that the tillotson is immune from? It’s great that you think so highly of the T4 but other than the H.P. Difference you haven’t actually given any facts.
I have nothing against L206 I just think Tillotson is more up to date with current HP levels and performance. And L206 is not much better than rentals.. And things need to be more tight with the L206 class.. Kind of like comparing a Model T to a Corvette…
In which case the engine package won’t make much of difference in terms of leveling the field. Unless special attention gets paid to a particular engine package.
Did people get bounced from tech or not? That’s usually pretty public and news travels fast. What are these crazy budgets you keep hearing about?
I have a Tillotson 225 and I like it a lot. Extra power is nice and it’s still easy on the body. I also don’t feel the need to stir the pot by repeating paddock talk about other engine packages.
Not paddock talk. I just think Tilly has a better motor . Than the old outdated L206 lawnmower engine. And think if Briggs would step up and offer more HP . It would be a great motor challenge. I just think Tilly is more committed in making a kart motor and kart package for beginner classes . That is more of a level playing field for beginners in the sport. And keeping the cost down for the beginner class like T4 Series.. Really dont understand why all the L206 engine builders. Just pull it out of box and jet it. And run it like it was suppose to be … But I have my opinion on why all the engine builders.. Just my thoughts like it or not its OK with me… And if corporate Briggs people pull the L206 someday.. Than Tilly is a great alternative.. And people will say hey Tillys are great… Progress in karting is good.. Technology needs to happen to keep karting going. And keep Karting from staying in the dark ages.. Was a great discuss on both sides.. Well back To Electric Kart Racing !!!
Your opinion based on nothing factual. Pretty much all incorrect statements supported by an opinion. Welcome to your own opinion of course but not going to let nonsense go unchecked.
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Thats whats great about forums. Its full of opinions . So people have to shuffle through all the talk and see what they believe..
This is a pretty large forum, and you’re one of the few who likes to CONTANTLY bring up the tillotson. You sound like a politician bashing the other side only because you like your side better. A better argument would be, the 206 saved karting, but I like the Tilltoson better because of XYZ. Then you might get some listeners. Otherwise, you’re coming across as simply pushing your own agenda.
As for a engine builders and “fooling with” the motors, the longer a motor is around, the more people will find ways to squeeze power out of it. And if you’re falling for the high dyno numbers, you don’t understand how dyno’s work. Ask any honest engine builder about dyno numbers. Their response is “what do you want it to read for HP”. If you don’t understand that concept is at all levels of racing, and that it won’t eventually happen with the Tillotson, you’re fooling yourself.
Also, if you’re going to complain about teams/racers with unlimited budgets, that’s just the reality of racing at all levels these days.
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L206 was suppose to be a entry level low cost class. Just think it has got out of hand.. Thats all.. Thats why I love Electric and Gas Rental Racing you get a different kart every time. No this guy has more money than other guy . Its a level playing field.. Like Tillotson is trying to bring to Karting in the T4 Series..
Please explain how the T4 package limits cheating in comparison to the 206. Again, what are you basing your opinion on? How many 206 events do you attend? I thought you guys just raced at K1?
It doesn’t matter the engine package, people always find the grey areas.